WHAT THE HAL?? PODCAST 2.0 – EPISODE 11: ICE Raids and Your Rights — What You Need to Know
WHAT THE HAL?? PODCAST 2.0 – EPISODE 11
ICE Raids and Your Rights — What You Need to Know
Constitutional rights, public recording laws, and legal protections during ICE raids are at the center of this conversation with legal expert Ugo Lord.
In this episode, Hal Eisner, Elsa Ramon, and Hunter Lowry discuss what individuals should understand about warrants, public interactions with law enforcement, recording rights, and legal boundaries during enforcement actions.
From practical safety considerations to constitutional protections, this episode explores how individuals can better understand their rights in high-stress legal situations.
KEY TOPICS
• Constitutional rights during ICE raids and law enforcement encounters
• Recording law enforcement activity and First Amendment protections
• Understanding warrants and home entry procedures
• Public interactions, detentions, and disengagement strategies
• Identifying law enforcement and understanding legal boundaries
• Legal considerations involving youth safety and parental responsibility
• Practical steps during searches and enforcement situations
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Transcript
You've seen them.
Speaker A:But do you know what to do if you're caught in the middle of an ICE raid?
Speaker A:I'm Hal Eisner, and this is what the hell?
Speaker A:Smart, fresh, and uplifting.
Speaker A:We've got the stories that make you want to say, what the hell.
Speaker A:For months now, we've been dealing with the issue of ICE raids and immigration enforcement.
Speaker A:It's been impossible to avoid even if you try.
Speaker A:What do you do if you find yourself enmeshed in an ICE rain?
Speaker A:What are the rights of bystanders and the rights of protesters?
Speaker B:I'm Hunter Lowery, and we've got our legal expert, Ugo Lord with us today.
Speaker B:And we're going to shoot a lot of questions at you, Ugo.
Speaker B:You are a nationally recognized legal expert, an international keynote speaker, and a business coach.
Speaker B:And you may know him from his jaw dropping, his social media accounts.
Speaker B:He's got 5 billion views on his various platforms.
Speaker B:Welcome, Uga.
Speaker C:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker C:I love seeing you guys.
Speaker C:Thank you guys for allowing me to be a part of the show.
Speaker A:Well, you know, I think we should do this show about your 5 billion views.
Speaker A:How the hell did that happen?
Speaker C:Not as interesting as the topic at hand, you know, but I became very fortunate and, and very lucky that a few people wanted to listen to what I had to say, shockingly enough, so.
Speaker A:You could be considered a viral sensation.
Speaker C:I think that's what the kids are calling it nowadays.
Speaker C:But, you know, when it comes to my co workers, when it comes to my family, I'm still the same attorney that I've always been.
Speaker C:I just have an audience that is interested in hearing my legal take on things.
Speaker A:So joining us is the sweet, lovable, very kind, and quite modest Hugo Lord.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, Elsa Ramon couldn't be with us today, so Helen and I will carry on.
Speaker A:But let's talk about this immigration issue.
Speaker A:We got plenty of other issues to talk about as well, but this issue of ICE raids.
Speaker A:You know, after months of chaos, the administration has announced that the enforcement actions are just getting started.
Speaker A:So tell us, what are the rights that people have if they get confronted by a knock on the door of their home or their business?
Speaker C:Yeah, it's important to remember with these ICE raids that you essentially have two constitutionally protected rights.
Speaker C:Your first set of constitutionally protected rights, of course, is the right to peacefully protest.
Speaker C:Individuals can peacefully protest ICE activities, which is protected by the First Amendment.
Speaker C:It's part of their First Amendment free speech right.
Speaker C:And then a second constitutional right that you have is you have a Constitutional right to record ICE agents that are out in public.
Speaker C:Now, it's important to remember, Hal and Hunter, that when engaging in these constitutionally, constitutionally protected activities, you cannot interfere or impede with federal agents.
Speaker C:And that's exactly what ICE agents are.
Speaker C:They are federal officers that are conducting a specific mission as it relates to immigration enforcement.
Speaker C:So you can record them from a safe distance, you can peacefully protest from an approved distance.
Speaker C:But if you ever find yourself mixed in between ICE agents, that is when it is likely that you are now interacting, interfering with ICE agents.
Speaker C:And if you interfere, then you could be subject to arrest.
Speaker C:And as we mentioned, these ICE agents, they're there for immigration violation enforcement, right?
Speaker C:So they're there to enforce immigration laws.
Speaker C:However, if ICE agents witness someone committing a separate crime, such as impeding or interfering with an investigation, even ICE agents do have the illegal authority to detain and arrest an individual who's interfering with their investigation.
Speaker A:And Hunter, before you jump in there, let me just ask real quick.
Speaker A:When you talk about interfering, that can that be subjective?
Speaker A:I mean, if somebody is standing there and they're really not doing anything, they just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, could an ICE agent accuse them of interfering just by being there in quote unquote the way, and then they're in trouble?
Speaker C:We've seen a lot of videos from ICE agents, whether it's here in California, whether it's out in Minnesota or around the country where ICE agents have accused bystanders who they have engaged in with interfering.
Speaker C:And it may seem as though interference is subjective, but it really isn't.
Speaker C:Interference is a legally objective standard, right?
Speaker C:You have to be impeding a federal investigation, right?
Speaker C:So if you are minding your own business and then all of a sudden an ICE raid happens to form around you, you have not taken overt steps or overt actions in order to impede that investigation.
Speaker C:Therefore, you could never be considered to be interfering.
Speaker C:But if you see a ICE raid happening and you decide that you're going to insert yourself in the middle of the raid, then it's possible, possible that you be.
Speaker C:Could be considered interfering with an investigation.
Speaker C:So the safest thing that anyone can do if they find themselves in an ICE raid or if they see an ICE raid happening, is they can get out their phones, they can record, they can, even if they want, which is again, protected under the First Amendment.
Speaker C:They can even hoot and holler in a neighborhood to inform everyone in the neighborhood what is going on.
Speaker C:That is constitutionally protected First Amendment activity.
Speaker C:What you cannot do is try and stop an ICE agent from perhaps detaining someone.
Speaker C:Or what you cannot do is try and stop an ICE agent from conducting their investigation by blocking them in any way or blocking a vehicle from passing or trying to do something that would then impede their ultimate goal, which is whatever they've set out to do.
Speaker C:But constitutionally protected activities, such as First Amendment activities, we've seen a lot of whistles out in the state of Minnesota.
Speaker C:That's constitutionally protected activity.
Speaker C:We've seen a lot of cell phone recordings that have been posted all over social media.
Speaker C:I've reacted to this a lot on my social media pages.
Speaker C:That's all fine.
Speaker C:But the moment that you actually are in the way of an investigation, objectively speaking, that's when you can get into trouble.
Speaker B:Now, one of the things we've seen is people following ICE agents, and I'm not clear on whether that's impeding or is that legal, because, I mean, people will get in their cars and see the ICE agents and just follow them.
Speaker B:And that's been something that they've gotten in trouble for.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's been something that ICE agents have threatened to arrest drivers for, and it is something that ICE agents actually have arrested drivers for.
Speaker C:It's important to know your rights and to understand legally what you're allowed to do and legally what you're not.
Speaker C:So let's go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker C:Hunter, that's a great question.
Speaker C:When you are out in public, there is zero expectation of privacy.
Speaker C:What does that mean?
Speaker C:It means that you have the legal ability on public roads and public streets to follow an ICE agent as long as they are driving on public roads.
Speaker C:Just as you would have the exact same legal capability to follow anyone on public roads.
Speaker C:Because there is no expectation of privacy in public.
Speaker C:It is actually the basis of the constitutionality of street cameras.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It's also the basis of constitutionality of drone following on public roads.
Speaker C:As long as you are out in public, you have the ability to follow any car that you want to, including if it's an ICE agent.
Speaker C:The exact opposite is also true.
Speaker C:Law enforcement, including ICE agents, have the legal right to follow any citizen on public roads without a warrant.
Speaker C:Because the exact same thing that's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker C:I'm not even sure if that's the correct saying, but it is.
Speaker C:It works in a reciprocal manner.
Speaker C:Just as you can follow an ICE agent on public roads, an ICE agent can certainly follow you on public roads.
Speaker C:Law enforcement, such as police officers California Highway Patrol, as well as regular Metro patrol officers can also follow you on public streets.
Speaker C:Even if you are not committing a traffic violation, they can follow you for as long as you want.
Speaker C:And if they witness you commit a traffic violation while they are following you, legally they can pull you over and that traffic stop is completely valid.
Speaker C:And that is because the Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled that there is no expectation of privacy on public roads.
Speaker A:Wow, that, that's interesting.
Speaker A:I, you know, the expectation of privacy is, is something that, you know, I guess is, is sort of diluting a little bit.
Speaker A:But, but, you know, I, I, I have to ask you, I mean, we have as human beings sort of a, a sense of defending ourselves.
Speaker A:It just sort of happens, right?
Speaker A:You know, somebody gets in your face and sort of just like, you know, you don't disengage, sometimes you engage.
Speaker A:The point I think you're trying to make is in all cases disengage.
Speaker C:100%.
Speaker C:I mean, it's not, it's really not worth it.
Speaker C:We've seen the tragedies that have occurred in the state of Minnesota with the two American citizens that were shot and killed by ICE officers.
Speaker C:We've seen the ramifications and the reverberations across the country that have emanated from those tragic deaths.
Speaker C:And I'm absolutely certain that those family members would tell anyone that they would much rather have their loved ones with them than legal scholars across the country debating whether or not the shooting was justified by the ICE agent.
Speaker C:It's simply not worth it when it comes to your health and safety.
Speaker C:I tell my clients all the time, comply first, sue later.
Speaker C:Because you can't sue if you're dead.
Speaker C:I mean, your estate can, your family can, but you can't.
Speaker C:And there are certain things that are just not worth risking your life over, especially when it comes to law enforcement.
Speaker C:That is can be argued is trigger happy.
Speaker C:Now, I'm not necessarily saying that ICE agents themselves are trigger happy, but when we look at the Department of Homeland Security and we look at the funding that came in last year into DHS that resulted in hiring of thousands of brand new ICE agents, it is a fact that if you have been working for the Department for, of Homeland Security for less than a year, you are not going to have the same amount of experience that a DHS employee that has been working there for the past 10 years.
Speaker C:And so that is not to accuse someone new of being trigger happy, but expertise is absolutely important.
Speaker C:And if you don't have the same expertise that experience agents have, then why risk putting yourself in harm's way, even if you're technically in the right?
Speaker B:I love how you measure your words.
Speaker B:I can see you, I can see you lawyering here.
Speaker B:I want to talk about people who may not have the option.
Speaker B:What do you do if you find yourself in a situation where there's that bang, bang, bang, bang on the door?
Speaker B:Whether it's your home, your office, your school, your church, whatever.
Speaker B:What are your rights as a person who's being sought, as a bystander, as someone who is just experiencing this?
Speaker B:What do you do?
Speaker C:Excellent question.
Speaker C:And the most important thing to remember is that if there's a bang, bang, bang on your door, number one, you're most likely not even going to know who it is.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it is important that the officer or the agent identifies themselves.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There are such things called a no knock warrant.
Speaker C:And for any type of no knock warrants, police officers do not actually have to identify themselves.
Speaker C:But it's usually results in immediate entry upon your home, right?
Speaker C:It's going to be a bang, bang, bang, and the door is going to be busted down.
Speaker C:If there's a situation where someone is at your door identifying themselves as law enforcement, you have the right as the occupant of that home to ask who they are, who they are looking for, and whether or not they have a warrant.
Speaker C:And if this is an ICE agent, there's a difference between a judicial warrant and an administrative warrant.
Speaker C:You see, an administrative warrant is from the Department of Homeland Security themselves.
Speaker C:So that means someone at DHS has reviewed the file and concluded based upon that review, that there is a deportation order that must go out for an individual and that person signs an administrative warrant, right?
Speaker C:But in order for someone to enter a home without authorization, right?
Speaker C:That is to enter a home, in order for that to not violate your constitutionally protected rights against unreasonable searches and seizures, it has to be signed by a judge.
Speaker C:And that is where a judicial warrant comes through.
Speaker C:So you have a right as an individual in that home to ask to see the warrant.
Speaker C:If it is an administrative warrant, you do not have to let law enforcement into your home.
Speaker C:Now, that doesn't mean that an administrative warrant is not enforceable.
Speaker C:Because if you are out in public, let's say you're at a grocery store and there's an administrative warrant for deportation, and an ICE agent, as we have seen in videos online, enters a grocery store in order to collect an individual, that is legal under an administrative warrant because you are now out in public.
Speaker C:But if you are in the privacy of your own home.
Speaker C:The only way that law enforcement can enter that home in order to seize a suspect is by a signed judicial warrant.
Speaker C:And you can verify that by asking for the warrant when an agent is at your front door.
Speaker B:Can I clarify one thing?
Speaker B:So if, if I'm at the supermarket shopping, I'm in public.
Speaker B:What if I'm working at my job at say, the gas station?
Speaker B:Is, am I still in public?
Speaker B:Am I am at my job?
Speaker B:It's like, what, what are the details?
Speaker B:Am I in the garage?
Speaker B:Am I outside of the garage?
Speaker B:What am I?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is, this is a really great question, and it actually reminds me of a very famous case that actually happened in Minnesota at a McDonald's where there was a worker at a McDonald's and the worker goes into work as they regularly do.
Speaker C:And apparently there was an administrative warrant to deport this worker.
Speaker C:So ICE agents showed up to the McDonald's in order to detain the worker.
Speaker C:Well, when the ICE agents got to the McDonald's, the security, the head of the security that was in that McDonald's refused to allow the ICE agent's entry.
Speaker C:That security guard spoke to the franchise owner of the McDonald's.
Speaker C:The franchise owner told ICE that because this is private property and because the ICE agents were not there to purchase some items from McDonald's, but they were there instead for other type of business, they were being denied entry into that private property.
Speaker C:And that is where the nuance comes between when you're out in public and when you're out in private.
Speaker C:The answer for the McDonald's case is that those ICE agents had to leave because they did not have a legitimate business purpose to be there without the owner's permission.
Speaker C:Unless they had a judicial warrant, which they did not have, they said they would go and get it.
Speaker C:We don't have a follow up of what happened afterwards, but they were not allowed entry.
Speaker C:Actually, they had already gained entry, but they were actually required to leave the McDonald's.
Speaker C:So here's what to remember.
Speaker C:Anytime you are out in public, Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:If you are not in your home, if you are outside of your home, you are deemed to be out in public.
Speaker C:Even if you're on private property, such as a shopping, a shopping store, a grocery store, a mall, et cetera, et cetera, even though that may be private property, it's commercial property.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So you're still considered to be out in public unless the commercial property owner denies entry to the federal agent who only has an administrative warrant.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because a judicial Warrant basically says it doesn't matter, right.
Speaker C:Whether you deny entry or not, a judicial warrant will allow you to be there.
Speaker C:So outside of your home, you are technically subject to arrest if you have an administrative warrant against you.
Speaker C:And the only way that that can be blocked is if you are on commercial property where the commercial property owner denies entry.
Speaker C:But if the commercial property owner does not deny entry for the ICE agent, that ICE agent could absolutely detain you, even if you're on commercially private property, and there's only an administrative warrant.
Speaker C:So, Hunter, to answer your question, your castle is your home.
Speaker C:Your castle is your safe space.
Speaker C:As long as you are in your castle, you'll always be safe.
Speaker C:Anytime you leave that castle, whether you're at your own work or whether you're shopping or whether you're anywhere else, you are now subject to the rules of whatever property that you're in.
Speaker C:And if that property owner allows ICE agents in, then there's really nothing that you can do.
Speaker A:You know, we have, all three of us known each other for a long time, and far be it for me to ask for your personal opinion on anything, Ugo, but, you know, it strikes.
Speaker B:Me involved in that.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker C:Not for friends and family.
Speaker C:Friends and family.
Speaker C:It's always on the house.
Speaker A:We got the friends and family discount.
Speaker A:You know, the thing that strikes me is we have talked for years.
Speaker A:I mean, we've known each other a long time, and we've talked for years, and we talk about the new laws that come into California.
Speaker A:We talk about all kinds of.
Speaker A:We have never found ourselves having a conversation like this, about things that have to do with protecting oneself in public from federal agents.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's sort of.
Speaker A:I don't know, from your perspective, this.
Speaker A:This has got to be quite the leap.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Keep in mind, Hal, not only are we talking about protecting yourself from federal agents, we're talking about protecting yourself from masked, unidentified federal agents who are often in unmarked vehicles, driving on public roads.
Speaker C:You know, where you have to sometimes be psychic to know whether or not this is a masked robber or is this a federal agent with a badge and the authorities backed by the federal government.
Speaker C:And that line, legally speaking, is becoming harder and harder to be able to see those.
Speaker C:Those lines are becoming blurred because ICE agents who are masked, it is hard to know whether or not they are exactly who they say they are, because we have seen cases of other masked vigilantes in certain areas of the country who are not ICE agents, who have detained people claiming to be ICE agents.
Speaker C:And keep in mind, it is a federal crime to impersonate an ICE agent or any type of federal agent.
Speaker C:That is a federal crime.
Speaker C:But that has not stopped people from masking up, wearing technical gear, and detaining people who they estimated to be undocumented immigrants.
Speaker C:And the question that you ask yourself is that what can the law do about that?
Speaker C:Well, several states have moved to pass laws to allow to force federal agents, ICE agents to not wear masks.
Speaker C:But those laws have been shut down by appeals courts.
Speaker C:And the reason why they've been shut down is because the government argues that ICE agents have to mask themselves for their tactical operations as well as for their own safety and their identity, because so many individuals are recording these ICE agents and then targeting their personal lives and their personal families, even when they're not on duty, even when they're off the clock.
Speaker C:So our federal appeals courts, all the way up to our Supreme Court, has held and ruled that being masked is lawful.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And we also know that police officers do not have to identify themselves in emergency situations.
Speaker C:So that is, if they are detaining someone and if an emergency arises where there's a crowd now forming around them, they also don't have to identify themselves as law enforcement.
Speaker C:So we're in this strange limbo where you have to decide if someone is a masked vigilante or if they are law enforcement.
Speaker C:Because law enforcement, whether they're masked or not, still has full legal protections under the law so long as that masked agent does not commit a crime themselves.
Speaker C:And we've seen cases here in California as well as in Minnesota, where the governor of California as well as the governor of Minnesota have announced that if any crimes occur by ICE agents in their state, that these ICE agents will be prosecuted.
Speaker C:And we have seen charges being filed against certain ICE agents.
Speaker C:But as a citizen, it's tough.
Speaker C:And even as a lawyer, even as a lawyer, it is tough.
Speaker C:Because how do you distinguish a masked law enforcement who does not identify themselves because they don't have to in all circumstances, versus a masked vigilante that doesn't identify themselves?
Speaker C:And the answer to that is, I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, that's so not helpful.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:I've never heard you say that before speaking.
Speaker A:This may be the first time I've ever heard him say, I don't know.
Speaker B:Two years ago, I can't even imagine thinking twice if an armed masked man came up to my window and tried to drag me out of my car.
Speaker B:I can't imagine thinking twice about whether I would say, oh, okay.
Speaker B:I mean, what kind of position does that put us in?
Speaker C:It boggles.
Speaker C:It boggles the mind.
Speaker C:It boggles the mind.
Speaker C:And as long, remember, ICE agents cannot conduct traffic stops.
Speaker C:So an ICE agent does not have the same legal authority that CHP has.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:They could not do traffic violations and then from a traffic violation, try and detain an individual.
Speaker C:But they can, if they have a warrant, even an administrative warrant, if you're on public roads, they can initiate a stop for the purpose of effectuating a lawful arrest.
Speaker C:The issue is exactly what you mentioned, that they usually come in hot, and it usually is they're looking for a suspect and they tell you that they're under arrest and they're breaking car windows, trying to unlock doors, and they're dragging people out of cars.
Speaker C:We've seen these videos time and time again.
Speaker C:We've seen so many of them.
Speaker C:And without documentation, it's like, what can you do?
Speaker C:Do you defend yourself?
Speaker C:Well, if you defend yourself against a law enforcement agent that is executing a valid arrest, executing a valid arrest warrant, be it judicial or administrative, you're just going to hurt yourself.
Speaker C:Because now not only will it be resisting arrest, but now you have assault upon a federal agent on top of it.
Speaker C:So the best thing that individuals can do is again, ask for the information.
Speaker C:Record.
Speaker C:Start with recording.
Speaker C:That's the most important thing that you can do.
Speaker C:A lot of ICE agents will tell you that you cannot record them because that's impeding an investigation.
Speaker C:That is not true.
Speaker C:I've seen those videos all over the Internet saying, oh, you can't record us.
Speaker C:Not true.
Speaker C:You can record, record.
Speaker C:And if they say, oh, we need to see your hands.
Speaker C:You can't be.
Speaker C:Put your phone down on the dashboard and record.
Speaker C:Prop your phone up somewhere and record.
Speaker C:Always, always record.
Speaker C:The second thing that you can do is ask for their warrant.
Speaker C:Do you have a warrant?
Speaker C:Because they can only arrest people that are suspected of committing an immigration violation.
Speaker C:So if there is no warrant and there is no suspicion of an immigration violation, there can be no legal detention.
Speaker A:You know, I want to just.
Speaker A:We only have a couple minutes left.
Speaker A:And, you know, Hunter has been kind of interested in this topic about parents being arrested because their kids were on e motorcycles.
Speaker A:And, you know, Hunter, I think that's probably.
Speaker A:If we can just get a couple of minutes in there about this, I think that's a good topic.
Speaker B:Let's sneak in a question.
Speaker B:But honestly, at this point, I'm just going to book you for another session, Ugo, because I thought we could Do a whole lot more stuff.
Speaker B:And this has just been so fascinating that we've used up the entire time.
Speaker B:But real quick, recent situation, not far from me, not far from you, there was a parent arrested because her son was on a knee motorcycle young teen and killed somebody.
Speaker B:And I mean you can understand the child being arrested, but why would they arrest the parent?
Speaker C:Yeah, this is, this is tough, you know, and the reason why this is tough is because it goes along the lines of parental responsibility for the actions including the negligence or recklessness of their children.
Speaker C:And we've even seen, I mean we've seen, as you just mentioned, Hunter, we see that with the ebike case, a 14 year old that, you know, killed a 81 year old driving on the E bike.
Speaker C:But there is behind the scenes information that I think it's very important for the audience to know.
Speaker C:The first thing that's important to know is that it's not an automatic thing for parents.
Speaker C:It's not automatically your child does something wrong and your parents are automatically criminally liable.
Speaker C:Parents will always be civilly liable for the acts of their guardians.
Speaker C:Always.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Civilly.
Speaker C:When you house someone in your house and they do something, even if you have a teenager driving a car and that teenager gets into a car accident, parents, you will always be civilly liable automatically for the actions of your children.
Speaker C:But when it comes to criminal responsibility, that is not automatic.
Speaker C:Courts have to receive evidence that there was also a type of negligence on the parent as well.
Speaker C:And when we're Talking about this 14 year old case, this mother was actually warned that her child had been riding around this E bike, around this neighborhood, going up these excessive speeds and was riding dangerously.
Speaker C:And in fact she was actually warned, even not only by neighbors but also warned by, by law enforcement as well, that hey, your kid needs to bring it down.
Speaker C:The speeds are too high, this is too dangerous.
Speaker C:And then that is when culpability comes in.
Speaker C:Because now the parents have received warning that their own actions, the parents actions are now contributing or lack of actions, I should say.
Speaker C:A parent's lack of of actions and lack of disciplining their child is now contributing to the danger of those around them.
Speaker C:So then the best way to compare it is to compare it to, you know, firearms.
Speaker C:When you purchase a weapon, just like this mother purchased an E bike and you bring that weapon into your home just like this mother brought in that E bike into your home and then you allow your child to use this item, if we're talking about a weapon, it could be allowing through negligence and what, what do I mean by that?
Speaker C:Not locking up the weapon, not storing it away safely.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Or if we're talking about an E bike, handing it off to your child and then that child goes and injures someone by either shooting someone or running to someone at dangerous speeds, a parent can absolutely be held criminally liable because it's the parents actions, the parents actions that are causing their own criminal liability.
Speaker C:So it's really important for all the parents out there that are listening, number one, supervise your children.
Speaker C:That is the best thing that you can always do.
Speaker C:Number two, there was a separate case, this is a separate case, this to do with the father who actually modified his child's E bike.
Speaker C:An E bike usually goes around 20 miles per hour.
Speaker C:The father modified it so it was able to go up to 60 miles per hour.
Speaker C:And the courts held that father criminal, criminally liable as well, saying that the father should have never modified the E bike to allow the E bike to go to that kind of dangerous speeds.
Speaker C:Just be responsible for parents, if you see your child doing something wrong, take away their E bike, give it to them when they're 16, when they're old enough to realize that their actions have consequences.
Speaker C:Because if you don't and your child injures someone's or even worse, kills somebody, then yes, under certain circumstances, especially if you knew that the danger was there, you, the parent could be held criminally responsible as well.
Speaker A:You know, we could easily talk about this for quite a while.
Speaker A:I mean, I think Hunter's right.
Speaker A:We got to get you back here and have another podcast with you.
Speaker A:You, you're a wealth of knowledge, of information and I think at this point it's very important for you to tell everybody how they can join the 5 billion other people that follow you.
Speaker A:And if you have a particular website.
Speaker C:You'd like to share, you're very kind.
Speaker C:I'm at Ugolord on all socials, so that's at Ugo L O R D on all social media.
Speaker C:Also my website, ugolord.com Feel free to join the team.
Speaker C:We would love to have you.
Speaker C:We always talk about legal knowledge.
Speaker C:It's free, educational, interesting legal topics, just like this one.
Speaker C:And I can't thank you guys enough for having me.
Speaker B:We have so many for you when you come back.
Speaker C:I look forward to it.
Speaker A:Thank you so much, Hugo.
Speaker A:Great session.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker C:By the way, Hal, love your book.
Speaker C:Love your book.
Speaker C:It's a page turner.
Speaker C:It's an absolute page turner.
Speaker C:I enjoyed every page of it.
Speaker C:So I need a signed copy.
Speaker C:I need a sign.
Speaker A:I'll do that for you.
Speaker A:And thanks for an opportunity to do a shameless plug of my book.
Speaker A:It is called An Accidental Career.
Speaker A:It's about my 58 years in broadcasting, 43 of them on TV here in Los Angeles.
Speaker A:Takes you all the way back to when I was a little kid.
Speaker A:It's an interesting book and you know, a couple people said it's a pretty good page turner.
Speaker A:So let us know if you get it.
Speaker A:Send us a picture and hold it up like this and we'll put it on social media.
Speaker A:And that's for you too, Ugo.
Speaker A:Hold that book up and we'll put that on my social media.
Speaker A:And thank you for saying that.
Speaker A:And thanks everybody.
Speaker C:Thank you guys.
Speaker C:Thank you guys.
Speaker A:And that's what the hell 2.0 I'm how Eisner along with Elsa Ramon and Hunter Lowery.
Speaker A:This podcast is produced by Hunter.
Speaker A:Jamie Knapp is our Technical director Editor and he handles all of the post production.
Speaker A:Our original theme music is composed by Stuart Pearson.
Speaker A:Earlier versions of the podcast were produced at the studios of Fox 11 in Los Angeles and are available through the link in our Show Notes.
Speaker A:This version of the podcast is available on YouTube and wherever you listen to podcasts and what the How 2.0 is produced in Los Angeles, California.
